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March 19 2018

well, i guess a pretty fundamental misunderstanding is this:

I'm assuming we're talking about the only country in which guns are a measurable problem.

no, i'm not talking perticularly about the usa. i also don't consider them to be "the only country in which guns are a measurable problem" (how does this fit together with all the problems being rooted in "mental health an poverty"). i am trying to develop a reasonable and generalizeable approach towards weapons and defense.

hence i guess there are two questions that i'm interested in

  1. which weapons should be around (if any), and to which degree.
  2. how, if at all, can you ensure that they are used for more good than evil.

for example you probably wouldn't argue that bombs are much good for defense, and i'd be intzereted in what exactly makes athing better for defense than for attack.

i'm not sure how many of your arguments you think are still relevant to this.

To say that deterrence has a small influence on crime is like saying a robber is more or equally likely to break into a house guarded by a bulldog and plastered with NRA signs than a house with does not have these things.

well, okay, deterrence depends on how immediate and avoidable the deterring threat is.. but this again is proportonal to how much an attacker can treaten you with it.. i'd probably be afraid of the owner of said house, and i don't even burgle houses.. :P

Attackers might be desperate, but they're not that interested in a shootout.

still more than a defender, right..?

It's like you realize the problem isn't guns per se, but mental health and poverty,

i pretty much adressed that here.

also: "people don't build houses because they have building materials but because they are homeless..". guns can enable crime without being their sole cause, and i never said they would be.

Now it's almost like you're saying that being armed decreases the likelihood of being attacked.

like i never even doubted it.. *sigh*

something that would lead to a civil war that the government would almost certainly lose.

i'd be pretty sure the state would win and that's really scary. but it leads to another thing that's certainly interesting: how could you build civil society that it can withstand the local military..

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gun violence is not just about mass shootings. and sure, there are a lot of ways in which people can be violent. many useful objects can be abused in horrible ways. but there is a reason why people choose weapons for violence if they have a choice: because they are things optimized for violence. inflicting harm with other tools (or bare hands) is harder, and inflicting violence should be as infeasable as possible.

concerning the causes of violent behaviour: yeah, there are other causes, we should solve poverty and religious superstition and racism and all that shit. but you seem to ignore that violence is also self-perpetuating: violence causes poverty and decreases social trust and civility, in turn increasing violence. ignoring that would be level 2 thinking. B)

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